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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorian View Post
    It's rather weird seeing 'capitalist' system.
    I see it another way: we start with a fairly free market, where people build up welfare.
    Those that do their work best, become wealthy.
    Some others get jealous, want the same but without having to compete, and there, the first step occurs: they lobby at government to legally get a part of the welfare that those that do they best produce.
    And this gradually grows. Since the real private sector is inventive, they find ways around the legal theft, they overcome the cost by once again improving themselves, and so on.
    But, the 'jealous' / lazy side never stops trying for more of what they produce. They want more influence, and get it by giving them also places in the legally benefitted club. At the same time they add more and more regulation, primary reason as excuse for their absence in the private sector, secondary reason to make it harder to avoid their theft/tax.
    And this way, the viscious circle is round. You could see it as polarisation. Less and less have to produce everything while more and more stop helping them. You end up with a divided population, two large opposed groups.
    Where does it end? Where the real private sector starts to fail to overcome the theft.
    So, the story in short: it's a trend from capitalism to fascism. From free market to heaps regulation and huge government/States, that hang on with big companies, giving them benefits.
    It's weird that this Russian guy seems to have missed this aspect. He should know what communism / fascism is, better than anyone else.
    just say it outright, where less and less have to produce everything while more and more scumbags are allowed to steal their efforts and muzzle them.

    ps the Kondratieff waves are well known, they are a reality and the fact that the timing doesn't always correspond with Kondratieffs theory is because in his time he didn't have the knowledge of the organized strength of the scumbags to prolong the autumn period beyond reason.
    Actually we are at the end of such a period.
    Since one or two years we lived in a falsified autumn period.

    The actual intensity of the lay-offs are a mark on the wall of the deep sudden slide into an economic winter.
    The debtridden system already broke which needed huge extra amounts of money to repair the system ( and still needs ) needs now even more money to prevent the system from imploding.

    The actual hammering of precious metals under the actual circumstances is another sign. The PTB know they will have to print papermoney as hell and want to prevent the citizens from fleeing to real money.
    Don't let lure you by their tricks.

    The economic frostbites are still to come, see to it you can survive them.


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    Last edited by golditiki; 11-16-2012 at 10:03 AM.
    if 1 oz of gold is heavier THAN 1 oz of silver, THEN you have a problem

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    We are getting close

    Galactic Alignment Dec 21 2012 is an inflection point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorian View Post
    So, the story in short: it's a trend from capitalism to fascism. From free market to heaps regulation and huge government/States, that hang on with big companies, giving them benefits.
    It's weird that this Russian guy seems to have missed this aspect. He should know what communism / fascism is, better than anyone else.
    He wrote his Cycle theory about 100 years ago...
    It was a different world then, where the only global corporations were the monarchs or endowed charters given to their relatives, connected supporters, friends.

    Some of Martin Armstrong's work over at Armstrong Economics dovetails this with modern clarity.
    What the US Government did to him in the last 10 years was pretty much what the Russians did to K.
    Who are the fascists now?

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    Those of you who observe the natural world closely, already know about cycles. Events ebb and flow. Systems begin, mature and then decline. It is inevitable. It is inexorable. It is our bad luck to be here at the time of the great change.
    To Be, Do. Descarte
    To Do, Be. Sartre
    Do be do be do. Sinatra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvercoin View Post



    thats funny, empty page, a picture of the winter? You could probably get 35 millions for it at sotheby's , if you call it " back to the economic ice-age ".


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    if 1 oz of gold is heavier THAN 1 oz of silver, THEN you have a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by golditiki View Post
    The actual hammering of precious metals under the actual circumstances is another sign. The PTB know they will have to print papermoney as hell and want to prevent the citizens from fleeing to real money.
    Don't let lure you by their tricks.

    The economic frostbites are still to come, see to it you can survive them.


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    That hammer is actually a cycle itself, they buy the price up when they think 'citizens will flee to real money', those then get less silver for their 'bogus money', then they dump the silver they bought ahead of the rest, bringing the 'citizens' all in the red.
    I don't let me lure by their tricks. I waited till enough of them dumped then I bought.
    the void

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    Quote Originally Posted by NolaM View Post
    He wrote his Cycle theory about 100 years ago...
    It was a different world then, where the only global corporations were the monarchs or endowed charters given to their relatives, connected supporters, friends.

    Some of Martin Armstrong's work over at Armstrong Economics dovetails this with modern clarity.
    What the US Government did to him in the last 10 years was pretty much what the Russians did to K.
    Who are the fascists now?
    The topic author said 'capitalist economies', were that his words or Kondratiffs?
    Because those 'capitalist economies' were and are nothing more than 'smarter' communism/fascism.
    Who the fascists are today? Look at the share of the population that works directly or indirectly for State, with money taken from the shrunking remainder. Look at the amount regulation. Some weeks ago they put a penalty fee on some guy here that eated a sandwich on the stairs to a public place that wasnt even open. It caused quite some frowned eyebrows - articles in various papers here.
    Fascism is everywhere yet you ask who they are. It's not different than in Kondratiffs era. Only less visible/brutal and smarter.
    the void

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorian View Post
    The topic author said 'capitalist economies', were that his words or Kondratiffs?
    Because those 'capitalist economies' were and are nothing more than 'smarter' communism/fascism.
    Who the fascists are today? Look at the share of the population that works directly or indirectly for State, with money taken from the shrunking remainder. Look at the amount regulation. Some weeks ago they put a penalty fee on some guy here that eated a sandwich on the stairs to a public place that wasnt even open. It caused quite some frowned eyebrows - articles in various papers here.
    Fascism is everywhere yet you ask who they are. It's not different than in Kondratiffs era. Only less visible/brutal and smarter.
    You are right Lorian.

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