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    2 Rand and 1 Rand coins, also 1 Pond and 2 Pond coins, same specs as Sovereigns. Completed auction #260410038357 from fleabay
    Last edited by latemetal1; 05-21-2009 at 04:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugo mandeville View Post
    It is a long established habit that the successive sovereigns are looking to the other side than the preceding one. Victoria looking to the left, ED VII to the right, G V to the left and EL II to the right. The next should be looking to the left but Charles has said his right side is more advantageous we will see who wins, tradition or Charles.
    PS the same sovereign looks at the same direction on halves and fulls
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    Quote Originally Posted by latemetal1 View Post
    2 Rand and 1 Rand coins, also 1 Pond and 2 Pond coins, same specs as Sovereigns. Completed auction #260410038357 from fleabay
    you are right, i have some too but i do not count them as sovereigns same with braided hair australian coins, they have a nominal denomination even when the braided hair ones say "one sovereign" That what makes IMO the difference between " soveigns and " other coins of same weight and caliper is the selfconsious " no need to state what this is attitude ".
    I consider that attitude as the best of british spirit. There was no need to add all kind of scribbling how much gold it contained and silver as the russian coins did. or what its value was in a kind of number which as we all know splitted the schizoway apart when inflation was humiliating the numbers, on a 20 dollar liberty they should have installed a ticker which indicates today its dollar value at spot, a sovereign doesn't need that ticker, it always will be a sovereign. It is the only money which is always exactly at its up to date value.

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    Sovs and 20 francs are both nice coin series. Amassing collections of both provide interesting history lessons. Both are relatively affordable and the different gold contents enable you to spend different amounts of whatever worthless fiat you happen to have on hand at the time.

    The 20 franc coins arguably have more interesting designs and are a bit (about $30) cheaper, but contain less gold of course. Didn't know that the French had several kings after the Revolution and Napoleon? You'll learn some interesting history. There's also the other European countries' equivalent coins. Didn't know that there was a common European money standard going back to the 1800s, long before the EU? Didn't know that WWI killed all of that? Well, they did.

    Both types of coins tend to have smaller premiums than the old U.S. gold coins at the moment and have numerous varieties. Buy Sovs and 20 franc coins early and often, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugo mandeville View Post
    you are right, i have some too but i do not count them as sovereigns same with braided hair australian coins, they have a nominal denomination even when the braided hair ones say "one sovereign" That what makes IMO the difference between " soveigns and " other coins of same weight and caliper is the selfconsious " no need to state what this is attitude ".
    I consider that attitude as the best of british spirit. There was no need to add all kind of scribbling how much gold it contained and silver as the russian coins did. or what its value was in a kind of number which as we all know splitted the schizoway apart when inflation was humiliating the numbers, on a 20 dollar liberty they should have installed a ticker which indicates today its dollar value at spot, a sovereign doesn't need that ticker, it always will be a sovereign. It is the only money which is always exactly at its up to date value.
    Read many of my posts - I am a Sov-man. I do have an assortment of lots of others. Over the last few years, the more I have read and learned about them, the more I like them.
    I called in at Chards (on spec) for Krugs, they had none! I had quite a long chat and came away with some sovs - I really must confess that it took some time to be won over.
    Remember your first Scotch, your first smoked salmon, your first lobster, your first venison or your first pheasant, first nice Stilton. You did not think "Fantastic", you had it because you had ordered it and now you have to consume it.
    If you were unlucky enough you had them several times, then, one day you thought "I am really enjoying this"......... Unfortunately, at that point you are hooked!
    Unfortunately, you see a date you have not got or a mint mark - Without another thought your debit card is in the machine and you are entering your pin.

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    Sorry, Hugo, I like the "No-denomination" for these "modern" times.
    It says it all .......... Everything today is devalued, from manners to work ethic, from personal pride to lying stealing politicians.
    A sov is what it is. It sets a standard so high, it does not state a price because prices are transient.
    An honest coin - is my very best shot at a discription.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solidus_Aurelius View Post
    The kings and queens are nice, BUT, I'm in love with marianne on the french 20 franc! :-)

    I have a few sovereigns. I like the coin itself, my problem is that since it doesn't have a denomination and looks exactly like a half sovereign, you have to be extra careful with ebay listings. I only bid if they say specifically "full sovereign" and specify the weight.
    If you look at the date, the face and the back you can normaly figure out if it's have or a full but you have to know alot about the dates and which had what face and back and still there are some that are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilverKing View Post
    Sovs and 20 francs are both nice coin series. Amassing collections of both provide interesting history lessons. Both are relatively affordable and the different gold contents enable you to spend different amounts of whatever worthless fiat you happen to have on hand at the time.

    The 20 franc coins arguably have more interesting designs and are a bit (about $30) cheaper, but contain less gold of course. Didn't know that the French had several kings after the Revolution and Napoleon? You'll learn some interesting history. There's also the other European countries' equivalent coins. Didn't know that there was a common European money standard going back to the 1800s, long before the EU? Didn't know that WWI killed all of that? Well, they did.

    Both types of coins tend to have smaller premiums than the old U.S. gold coins at the moment and have numerous varieties. Buy Sovs and 20 franc coins early and often, IMHO.
    indeed there was what was called the "latin union" which was covering big parts of europe and also parts of the american continent at a time. the twenty X coins are lighter than the sovereign, there where the sovereign contains 7.318 grams of pure gold, the twennies contain 5.806 grams of pure gold which makes that four sovereigns (29.272 g ) equal five twenniers ( 29.03 g ) of the latin union almost on the dot. t a 20 dollar liberty piece contains 30.092 g pure gold so an easy value coversion is to say that a 20 dollar is worth 4 sovs plus one gram or 5 twenniers plus one gram.
    that's my thumbrule of evaluating things and that rule is only a couple of dollars / euros off bearings, so useless to have a calculator around.

    I have some twenty X coins from bulgaria, belgium, finland, france ( obvious ) serbia, italy, swiss, tunisia and austria ( even when austria was a historical ennemy they joined the latin union too ).
    Romania belonged also to the union but don't have.
    You cannot have it all, and moreover pieces from some of the lesser known countries are quite expensive, so there is a bit of an ever ongoing battle between the bullionbuying half of my brain and the collectors half...
    I have kept track of the purchasing values of my collection and for those who despise collection values ( i have been buying over time ) the actual bullion value of my collection is about 10 percent higher than its purchasing value and this notwithstanding that i paid for some pieces quite a high price at the purchasing time.
    Collecting gold is not only for the super rich, it is accessible to everybody to combine pleasure with value preservation. You just stop smoking and you can buy a sov a month, 12 sovs a year. i smoked my last cigarette 43 sovereigns ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugo mandeville View Post
    It is a long established habit that the successive sovereigns are looking to the other side than the preceding one. Victoria looking to the left, ED VII to the right, G V to the left and EL II to the right. The next should be looking to the left but Charles has said his right side is more advantageous we will see who wins, tradition or Charles.
    PS the same sovereign looks at the same direction on halves and fulls
    I had not heard that about Charles, it will be interesting to see what happens!

    I heard that Edward VIII would have broken with tradition and faced left as well (following George V). He of course abdicated early into his reign and no coins were ever produced with him on the obverse. So George VI facing left follows tradition even though the last monarch on coins also faced left.
    If you think of gold in terms of dollars instead of in terms of ounces, you lose.

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    Any idea why I can't get past the first screen (first four messages?)

    The thread list says there are 18 posts, but I get no numbers or arrows at the bottom or the top, to get to them.

    Come to think of it, I won't get to see the response to this query, either.

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