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    Inverse ETF's doing just fine today:

    SPXS-short S&P 500 +1.7 %
    QID -short NASDAQ +2.8 %
    MIDZ-short mid-caps +1.5 %
    TZA -short small caps +1.9 %

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    Hedge fund manager: get ready for a golden age of
    short selling.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/03/get-...d-manager.html

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    The Street (of Jim Cramer) explains why it will be dumb NOT
    to short sell this market:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuQBZzc4SB8

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak333 View Post
    The Street (of Jim Cramer) explains why it will be dumb NOT
    to short sell this market:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuQBZzc4SB8
    I watched the video and the bad taste of barf almost hit me...... You better have a very good plan or better yet just take you retirement savings to Las Vegas as I believe you will have about the same odds of significantly increasing your retirement accounts IN THIS CURRENT MARKET. I must note oak333 has NEVER shared his investment methodology or any sort of exit strategy if his short the market "advice" blows up.

    I again will note I am not wired to take this sort of risk in my investing and at some point when a recession does take the Markets down - short traders can be highly successful.

    Since oak33 quotes Jim Cramer, here is what his most recent post has included and it is only 4 hours old...

    Cramer Remix: The bull market is still alive and kicking

    CNBC's Jim Cramer explains why the bull market has too much support to lose.

    Amelia Lucas | Carmin Chappell
    Published 4 Hours Ago
    CNBC.com

    As the stock market looks ready to make records for the longest bull run, some critics have said that it won't last, but the bull market has too much support for that to be true, CNBC's Jim Cramer said.

    The Mad Money host argues that both active and passive shareholders are doing their part to keep the bull market alive. Through index funds from the likes of Vanguard and BlackRock, ordinary investors save for retirement, and that passive investment means buying stocks -- never selling. With that unlimited buying power, there's no reason for the bull to lose.
    Last edited by Redrum; 08-15-2018 at 10:57 PM.
    Current investment plan is post #1606, Free S & P sentiment index (Post #564), https://www.ndr.com/invest/infopage/S573 SSD = Simply Safe Dividends Post #1162, http://simplysafedividends.com Sentiment Wave Analysis, https://www.elliottwavetrader.net/ I do a lot of analysis on the Seeking Alpha site. https://seekingalpha.com/ Heck I could be totally wrong!

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    Interesting. Look whom Jim Cramer thinks he is looking like
    shorting the market:

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/03/2...ck-market.html

    No comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak333 View Post
    Short selling is an obvious way of benefiting from market corrections.

    With so many inverse ETF's, which short sell, your risks are much
    lower than shorting a stock only----or a few stocks. You can loose only
    the money invested in the ETF's. If you short sell a stock and it goes up,
    you can loose your shirt.

    Add the fact that you make money faster in down markets than
    in up markets.
    When you posted this on 8/17/2017 the S&P 500 (SPY) closed at 243.09. A year later on 8/17/2018 the S&P 500 (SPY) closed at 285.06 which is 17.26% higher. So, just how is shorting the market working for you? I don't get it, so please explain this strategy to me. As I often note - I may be slow but I do poor work......
    Last edited by Redrum; 08-20-2018 at 06:40 PM.
    Current investment plan is post #1606, Free S & P sentiment index (Post #564), https://www.ndr.com/invest/infopage/S573 SSD = Simply Safe Dividends Post #1162, http://simplysafedividends.com Sentiment Wave Analysis, https://www.elliottwavetrader.net/ I do a lot of analysis on the Seeking Alpha site. https://seekingalpha.com/ Heck I could be totally wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrum View Post
    When you posted this on 8/17/2017 the S&P 500 (SPY) closed at 243.09. A year later on 8/17/2018 the S&P 500 (SPY) closed at 285.06 which is 17.26% higher. So, just how is shorting the market working for you? I don't get it, so please explain this strategy to me. As I often note - I may be slow but I do poor work......
    Let's see, short the market last year, then unexpectedly take it in the shorts this year. Of course, you don't came back here to report your losses and explain how you miscalculated. Instead, you keep posting all the reasons shorting is such a great strategy in the hopes that one day you'll be right.

    But really, I don't think oak333 actually took out a short. I think he's bitter about the market going through such a long bull cycle without him being on board to profit from it. Many others are bummed about missing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BodieGhost View Post
    Let's see, short the market last year, then unexpectedly take it in the shorts this year. Of course, you don't came back here to report your losses and explain how you miscalculated. Instead, you keep posting all the reasons shorting is such a great strategy in the hopes that one day you'll be right.

    But really, I don't think oak333 actually took out a short. I think he's bitter about the market going through such a long bull cycle without him being on board to profit from it. Many others are bummed about missing out.
    Possibly true but oak33 never actually posts actionable information and he may not even be invested at all. I will note that as of now we are certainly 17.26% closer to a market top and that is why in our plan (my wife and I) we currently hold 14+% in "cash" as a significant correction could occur very quickly. I also know that soon (2019?) there will be a major bear market and recession. It is sussing out the "when" that is difficult and may not even be possible for me to do but even a 14% reserve would be of great value in a 30% correction!

    I just respond to most of oak333's posts as I believe his "advice" is actually very dangerous for the typical investor. I know my limitations fairly well and I know I am not wired for any shorting strategy.
    Last edited by Redrum; 08-21-2018 at 01:05 PM.
    Current investment plan is post #1606, Free S & P sentiment index (Post #564), https://www.ndr.com/invest/infopage/S573 SSD = Simply Safe Dividends Post #1162, http://simplysafedividends.com Sentiment Wave Analysis, https://www.elliottwavetrader.net/ I do a lot of analysis on the Seeking Alpha site. https://seekingalpha.com/ Heck I could be totally wrong!

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    Bloomberg: FAANG stocks heavily shorted. Short position increased 42 %
    in the last year to 37 billion $.

    Tesla has been a lightning rod for short sellers.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-canada

    My note: sell FAANG (Facebook + Apple + Amazon + Netflix + Google)
    and buy BANNG (Barrick + Agnico Eagle + Newmont + Newcrest + Goldcorp)

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    Probably hard to believe but I agree with oak333 in principle but I would prefer, GORO, ABX, KL, Newmont, GDX and GDXJ. I would also add sell Telsa.

    oak33 is coming over to the "light" as he did not suggest shorting anything!
    Current investment plan is post #1606, Free S & P sentiment index (Post #564), https://www.ndr.com/invest/infopage/S573 SSD = Simply Safe Dividends Post #1162, http://simplysafedividends.com Sentiment Wave Analysis, https://www.elliottwavetrader.net/ I do a lot of analysis on the Seeking Alpha site. https://seekingalpha.com/ Heck I could be totally wrong!

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