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    Quote Originally Posted by redraspberry View Post
    If you automate everything what do all the people do?

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    By the mid-2030s one-third of all jobs could face the risk of being automated, according to a report from PwC.
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    Its sometimes difficult to find a cashier here. Homedepot sends cashiers home in the evening its automated or nothing. It really sucks would rather have a cashier cause I buy a lot of ABS/copper plumbing fittings from them. Sometimes over a 100 little pieces of things. Imagine trying to pick through all the boxes on the shelves most of the fittings are in the wrong box and it takes forever to find things or note what is missing from a pick. Home depot and Lowes is the cheapest place I can find for ABS/copper fittings in bulk. A while back I scanned a dollar item and put a 17$ fitting on the scale to see what would happen. The scale did not know the weight of the item being scanned. Someone could purchase 100$ worth of ABS fittings that is really 300$. I dont know if that has changed or still works but the scales are not really calibrated correctly. Prefer to go to a cashier keep it honest but if the little sticker or bar code is missing on a plumbing fitting the cashier is lost on trying to identify what it is. Can take for what seems like forever. Home Depot checkout here is so inefficient with the automation. Also with a 15$ minimum wage employers will look for automated to cut costs. 15$ minimum wage will only increase the rate of unemployment



    Yes, for a lot of these things it's hard to ensure you get it right, no matter how much you would like to be honest. As I see it, you are not a specialist in this, if you make an error in your favor, that's on them for not providing proper service; I would not feel guilty about small things like this, also consider the extra time you need to spend -- so in a way any error in your favor balances out, no doubt they already considered such and still think its worth it due to savings on having fewer employees. Whatever you do, do not overcharge yourself - -that's not being morally sound, it's letting yourself being taken advantage of combined with rewarding the store for offering less service.
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    Increasing automation, the replacement of humans, is perhaps the biggest problem future generations will face. Watch "Wall-E" for a good take on this.

    It seems to be an issue that is not identified with either party yet -- however it seems related to basic human rights, and the protection of traditional values -- such as the work ethic.
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    People with little to no skills seeking $15/hr or more need to realize that a machine will soon be doing their job and a "living wage" working at a fast food greasy spoon is not a career that's going to feed a family of six. Or not for long. That's an entry level job for a H.S. student that wants to earn a few bucks. Or those that don't have green cards and can speak 5 10 words of English. Last time I visited one of those fast food joints the cashier had to use a calculator to figure the change from my $20. I guess that's a skill?

    Plus how many of you use the self checkout machines at food stores? Or at orange or blue big box stores because you won't wait in a line? I don't. I won't. I'm forced to use ATM's, since banks are often not open when I want to get cash, but in general I'm the guy with 3 items in a long check out line waiting for the one live clerk to check me out. OBTW, I'm on S.S. and I realize that machines don't pay into the S.S. fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongDonSilver View Post
    People with little to no skills seeking $15/hr or more need to realize that a machine will soon be doing their job and a "living wage" working at a fast food greasy spoon is not a career that's going to feed a family of six. Or not for long. That's an entry level job for a H.S. student that wants to earn a few bucks. Or those that don't have green cards and can speak 5 10 words of English. Last time I visited one of those fast food joints the cashier had to use a calculator to figure the change from my $20. I guess that's a skill?

    Plus how many of you use the self checkout machines at food stores? Or at orange or blue big box stores because you won't wait in a line? I don't. I won't. I'm forced to use ATM's, since banks are often not open when I want to get cash, but in general I'm the guy with 3 items in a long check out line waiting for the one live clerk to check me out. OBTW, I'm on S.S. and I realize that machines don't pay into the S.S. fund.
    Exactly! And from what I keep hearing more jobs will be lost to AI, also. Tech job losses are just the beginning. Flipping burgers was never meant to be a full-on family-sustaining type job. Weren't those type jobs meant for retirees, students trying to get a little job experience/or to help put themselves through school? Or perhaps someone just needing a part time job for some additional fiat?

    I've also always maintained that middle schools and high schools need to bring back home economics and teach things that will actually be useful. You know, the unimportant stuff like how to boil water, how to change a flat tire, or how to balance a checkbook. Maybe how to start a fire out in the woods (outdoor skills). Or maybe how to properly utilize credit cards or "make change" without having to use the LCD screen on the register? Heads would explode right now if I said that we should teach firearms training.

    I refuse to use self-checkout too, LongDon. I look at it like this: I do not work for (name said business here- Walmart, favorite supermarket, etc.). They do not offer me any sort of tax advantages, compensation for doing their job, nor do I receive a W-2 for checking out or bagging my own items. It also allows them to not have to hire as many people. On top of that, apparently Walmart has been losing a lot of inventory due to people stealing from them VIA self-checkout and has since implemented facial recognition type cameras to identify scofflaws. God forbid if something didn't scan correctly, or you legitimately missed an item. Now you'd possibly be on the hook with criminal charges against you. Nope. Not going for that.

    Oh, and another thing. Apparently, it isn't "the law" for the greeters to have to check your receipt when you're leaving. It's company policy, and I sure didn't sign any contracts with them, so I often do not stop when they're trying to corral me. I do not do it rudely, but I just tell them that I do not have time for nonsense and continue walking out. They just saw me pay for everything 5-10 feet away! I'm not a thief, so if they want to accuse me of stealing then they'd better have their facts straight, have it on camera and have already called the police beforehand.

    And yes, I get frustrated too- waiting for what seems like an eternity for some manager to call someone, anyone to come up to the front and ring people up before the villagers revolt and necks get threatened to be stretched out from lampposts and tree branches. Sometimes the pleading eyes and scowls work, sometimes not. Sometimes even though I'm holding my breath, someone else loses it and yells loudly with and without expletives interjected at various times "Can we please have a manager have an employee open up another register!", and all I can do is shake my head.

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    Why bother with "self-checkout" stations when you can save time by just walking out with everything once you put it in your bag?

    I witnessed this the other day, a perfectly normal white couple by the way, going out of my local Walgreens. The beep went of, but the cashier did not do a thing -- not after the thieves just responded -- "all good, thanks". I was thinking of intervening (i.e. taking down the thief), however decided not to this time, given that the cashier begged me not to. (I had previously administered corporal punishment to another thief here a year or two ago). I then asked how often this happens -- and he told me several times a day, it's normal, no big deal. Stopping them is what was unusual. And this has become so common, they do not even make a police report anymore.

    Wonder how they can make a profit? Prices are not that high. Wonder why they do not have a security guard. All very strange. I guess it's like a super express line now -- if you do not want the hassled of checking out, just bypass.

    Maybe it is the new form of welfare, distribution of needed product to those who can afford. Very well. I just wonder who is paying for this all. Which means......
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    Quote Originally Posted by motocat View Post
    Why bother with "self-checkout" stations when you can save time by just walking out with everything once you put it in your bag?

    I witnessed this the other day, a perfectly normal white couple by the way, going out of my local Walgreens. The beep went of, but the cashier did not do a thing -- not after the thieves just responded -- "all good, thanks". I was thinking of intervening (i.e. taking down the thief), however decided not to this time, given that the cashier begged me not to. (I had previously administered corporal punishment to another thief here a year or two ago). I then asked how often this happens -- and he told me several times a day, it's normal, no big deal. Stopping them is what was unusual. And this has become so common, they do not even make a police report anymore.

    Wonder how they can make a profit? Prices are not that high. Wonder why they do not have a security guard. All very strange. I guess it's like a super express line now -- if you do not want the hassled of checking out, just bypass.

    Maybe it is the new form of welfare, distribution of needed product to those who can afford. Very well. I just wonder who is paying for this all. Which means......

    Walgreens has changed so much in ~30 years... this would have never happened there before. At that time, they stopped thieves physically, took a Polaroid photo of them and placed it on the wall of shame, and stood guard over the crook until the police came. And the police did come in those days.

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    Illinois suffers from food deserts in the poor and crime ridden areas. Walmart just closed three Chicago area stores because crime. But Sen Durbin and Sen What's Her Name, Duckworth that's it, are both vowing federal help. I'm sure they have cronies lined up for the food distribution, financing, actual store and hiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongDonSilver View Post
    People with little to no skills seeking $15/hr or more need to realize that a machine will soon be doing their job and a "living wage" working at a fast food greasy spoon is not a career that's going to feed a family of six. Or not for long. That's an entry level job for a H.S. student that wants to earn a few bucks. Or those that don't have green cards and can speak 5 10 words of English. Last time I visited one of those fast food joints the cashier had to use a calculator to figure the change from my $20. I guess that's a skill?

    Plus how many of you use the self checkout machines at food stores? Or at orange or blue big box stores because you won't wait in a line? I don't. I won't. I'm forced to use ATM's, since banks are often not open when I want to get cash, but in general I'm the guy with 3 items in a long check out line waiting for the one live clerk to check me out. OBTW, I'm on S.S. and I realize that machines don't pay into the S.S. fund.
    Adding to the cost and inconvenience at the orange stores, recently I had to hunt down "an associate?" (is that what they are called?) to open a cage to acquire a new Ryobi drill and driver set. He then had to personally carry it and check it out for me. And this is a location that is NOT in what some might call a "bad" area. (can I refer to "bad areas". Is that still allowed? Am I now in trouble?

    AND, the price was at least 30% more than the last set I purchased a couple of years ago.

    People who must really budget must turn their expenditures toward rent, heat, car repairs, medical and food. I wonder how this, as it continues, will affect the share price, employment head count and even closings.
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