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    this will be good for the reno economy, i go there often and it is very depressed

    lots of other positives to moving to reno, nevada is one of the largest lithium resources and their rail hub is
    one of the busiest in the nation. I-80 runs right through reno and it goes from san francisco to the east coast
    Retired in 2009 at 39 years old, what day is today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Unquenchable demand for their cars at 70k a pop---lower priced sedan coming out 2014-2015--new factory opening in europe---orders from asia coming in. Anyone else feel like this company is a game changer and the stock has much more to run?? Got in at $125 and feel comfortable letting it ride with Elon Musk as high oil prices will help sales. Production of 500k is company goal with current prod at 21k--this baby is just starting----anyone else on board?


    Tesla "Motors" is a dead end business. It only sells 25,000 units a year, brings in $2/billion a year in revenue ($80,000k per car average), and is losing -$75/million a year.
    It has a 22% Gross profit margin. From that 50% feeds SG&A and the other 50% feeds R&D. And anybody who owns the stock is betting more on a prayer than profit.

    Tesla cannot survive without selling "hundreds" of thousands of vehicles and lowering it's price point or drastically raising it's prices. Thus killing it's sales.
    Tesla's future is to end up a subsidiary of a major auto maker. Maybe GM or Toyota or BMW is my guess...

    With that said Tesla's future is in the Battery Business. There is massive demand for Lithium-Ion batteries for "everybody else's electric cars, planes, trains, etc"...
    Don't be surprised if Elon spins off the auto business to some automaker as a showpiece division to lure buyers, and to focus on the battery business. The battery business
    under Tesla is like PayPal under eBay. Except Elon is going to capitalize on his gem, while eBay sits and lets paypal die a death by a thousand cuts. That Apple Payment
    with the new IPhone will be the beginning of the end for PayPal.
    Last edited by FedSucks; 09-08-2014 at 11:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanferr View Post
    TSLA is kicking ass and taking names. Valuation is huge, but gotta give them credit.


    Tesla Stock is 100% Momentum.

    Momentum = Buying High and hoping some sucker comes along and buys it higher.


    Tesla is valued at $35,000,000,000/billion on $2/billion in Revenue, and -$75/million loss in profit (With $800/million in the bank to patch the holes).
    If Tesla stopped cold turkey on R&D, it would clear $250/million in profit and be trading at 140x earnings. Tesla's operating costs are eating up 78% of
    their revenue and SG&A and R&D is consuming the remaining 22% and then some.

    Only a fool would own Tesla stock. Until that battery factory starts raking in the money and the auto business is spun off. Then back up the truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FedSucks View Post
    Tesla Stock is 100% Momentum.

    Momentum = Buying High and hoping some sucker comes along and buys it higher.


    Tesla is valued at $35,000,000,000/billion on $2/billion in Revenue, and -$75/million loss in profit (With $800/million in the bank to patch the holes).
    If Tesla stopped cold turkey on R&D, it would clear $250/million in profit and be trading at 140x earnings. Tesla's operating costs are eating up 78% of
    their revenue and SG&A and R&D is consuming the remaining 22% and then some.

    Only a fool would own Tesla stock. Until that battery factory starts raking in the money and the auto business is spun off. Then back up the truck.
    Yes, a MO MO stock that lost it's MO.

    TSLA will be double digits in the next three months.

    Really, buy a TSLA with gas at $1.XX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
    Yes, a MO MO stock that lost it's MO.

    TSLA will be double digits in the next three months.

    Really, buy a TSLA with gas at $1.XX?
    the low oil gonna suppress electric car a few more years, some startup can't last that long of a wait

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    She's below $200 watch out $175

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    She's below $200 watch out $175
    Thar she blows (a leak)

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    210ish wow the stock that wont die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    210ish wow the stock that wont die
    Has nothing to do with the underlying company. TSLA is a mo-mo stock. They should have gotten smacked hard with oil dropping to 60 / barrel.

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    What of their idea of selling directly to consumers bypassing the dealer network? This ois a protect class of business now where many states outlaw internet sales of cars.

    It would gut the car dealership industry.

    WaPo dismisses DOJ report on Tesla direct sales

    http://www.autoblog.com/2015/03/03/w...-direct-sales/

    The Washington Post has a column called Fact Checker, and we bet you can guess what it does. In a recent piece titled, "Key report in battle over car dealer sales is bizarrely outdated," it turned its scrutiny on a paper put out by the Department of Justice in 2009 that examined the economic impact of state franchise laws that forbid manufacturers from selling cars directly to consumers. The paper tries to make the case that a significant amount of money would be saved if automakers could peddle their wares without dealership middlemen where such a practice would make economic sense, and was written in the still-roiling wake of The Great Recession, when TARP disbursements had all kinds of analysts looking at how to fix what some saw as structural inefficiencies across numerous industries.

    Written by Gerald R. Bodisch, who worked at the DoJ at the time, the auto-related example of direct sales that the paper used to make its case was a General Motors program in Brazil that let people buy its Celta subcompact hatchback from GM online. Oddly, the report doesn't note any economic benefit of the Celta direct-sales initiative other than that " prices are about 6 percent lower" for buyers; there isn't a single monetary amount given to back up its use as an example of the paper's thesis.

    That might have been because, as Fact Checker discovered, the program didn't exist when Bodisch wrote the paper in 2009; GM shut down the direct-sales effort in 2006, after six years. A company spokesman told Fact Checker that tax regulation changes were one of the reasons that it "no longer made sense for the consumer," and "the infrastructure costs to maintain distribution centers" made no sense for GM. That latter cause was the same that GM gave an auto industry consultant in 2014 about its closure of the program, who said, "they told me the project was canceled in 2006 because of the high cost of managing online sales and distribution."

    Asked about that huge misstep, Bodisch said, "I guess I was not aware of that at the time." He sourced his information from the Internet, and somehow never got around to step number one in the due diligence phase, calling GM, if for no other reason than to ask why no one had anything to say about Celta direct sales after 2006. His paper lives on, though, because it's being used - most recently in January and February of this year - to help promote Tesla's fight to establish direct sales. The Tesla site has a now-empty page where the report was hosted, and Bodisch promotes his paper as being key in state government debates on dealer franchise laws - the same paper that Fact Checker gave four Pinocchios, it's worst, "Whopper" rating for breaking the laws of truth.
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