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Thread: Why not revive the Liberty Dollar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LES301M View Post
    $ and Dollar make it illegal? -Watch out Mickey!

    http://www.disneydollars.net/2009%20...%20Dollars.htm
    they are signed by Scrooge McDuck. ever see his vault of gold & silver. at least those notes have good backing.

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    1) The term 'dollar' is in the public domain, and always has been.

    2) The FRN is only denominated (name of units) in dollars. It has no substance, as the Federal Reserve will verify with its statement "backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government" (e.g., it's fiat).

    3) von Nothouse was arrested on charges of 18 USC 485 and 486 (coins in resemblance or similitude to United States coins, 18 USC 1341 (mail fraud), and 18 USC 470 (counterfeiting). The government also alleged that since his coins were contraband, that they could not be legally owned and therefore should be confiscated.

    4) Whether they were made of gold, or whatever, had no relevance. Had von Nothouse traded in gold coins of any type other than claiming to be issuances of the United States, he would be a free man today.

    5) The popular press got hold of this information, and interpreted it stupidly to fit their story. The general public finished the job.

    6) Now everybody knows a bunch of crap about 'dollars', and repeats it often, right here.

    7) (My favorite) The lawful 'Dollar' in US law is defined at 1 Stat. 246, and hasn't changed in 240 years, but nobody gives a ratsass.

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    His associate who was also selling these coins checked with multiple police departments who in turned checked with the higher ups and found he was doing nothing illegal.

    This is nothing more than threats and intimidation by the private banking mafia which has hijacked the nations monetary system.

    So the way around it is to create a Liberty medallion (do not call it dollar), put some symbol other than $ on it and stamp the words "not legal tender". Have the FBI, US Mint, CIA, KGB and whomever else sign off that it is Not counterfeit before circulating it.

    Some day, von Nothaus will be in the history books as a martyr for the cause of liberty if they put him in jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvercoin View Post
    His associate who was also selling these coins checked with multiple police departments who in turned checked with the higher ups and found he was doing nothing illegal.

    This is nothing more than threats and intimidation by the private banking mafia which has hijacked the nations monetary system.

    So the way around it is to create a Liberty medallion (do not call it dollar), put some symbol other than $ on it and stamp the words "not legal tender". Have the FBI, US Mint, CIA, KGB and whomever else sign off that it is Not counterfeit before circulating it.

    Some day, von Nothaus will be in the history books as a martyr for the cause of liberty if they put him in jail.
    Von NotHaus was convicted for "uttering". His organization attempted to convince merchants to accept them on the spot at face value, as legal tender.

    It is not necessary to put "not legal tender" on a silver round. All you have to do is not claim it is legal tender whan you pass it. There are plenty of 1-oz silver "rounds" out there already. What is needed are more merchants that will accept them at their "face value" (which is one troy oz 999 silver).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpenter View Post
    And yet a coin like the 1964-D Peace Dollar was deemed legal.

    A 1999 secret service investigation determined Von Nothaus was violating no laws.

    The popularity of his alternative tender was the basis for his prosecution.
    The "1964-D" Peace Dollar over-strikes were never claimed to be legal tender, and they were not spent into general commerce. They were, however, stamped on legal-tender Peace Silver Dollars that were originally minted form 1922-1935, and they had no metal added or removed and no heating or melting was performed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcarr View Post
    Von NotHaus was convicted for "uttering". His organization attempted to convince merchants to accept them on the spot at face value, as legal tender.
    Anyone who is a merchant cannot be that much of an idiot that he cannot tell what is and what isn't "legal tender".

    Secondly where is the proof he was "uttering" anything.

    The case is a load of half-truths and outright lies. The fact is he was targeted because the Liberty medallions he produced were becoming popular (by demand).

    The Federal Reserve was debasing the currency (transferring your wealth to the pockets of banking crooks) and didn't want the people transacting with their paper to have an alternative

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