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[Silver Steven]

That is true I bought this bar with my own money and i do really enjoy it. I dont take any offense to what freedom said though. I'm young and have at least a decade before I really plan on sellin my silver. Being young also means I can make mistakes even though I don't consider this particular buy a mistake. All in all I'm very happy with this buy. I went to a show and had a great time with my grandpa and left with a sweet lookin bar.

That alone is worth the $25 to me.

I think it's a cool looking chunky bar.

[Silver Steven]

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces33676.html
Country Austria
Years 1811-1816
Value 20 Kreuzer (1/3)
Metal Silver (.583)
Weight 6.68 g
Diameter 28.3 mm
Shape Round
Got this for $5.24 shipped. looks liek an 1815B to me will be able to tell better when I get it in me hand.

Cool coin. What's with the hole in the coin? I've seen others like that. Sorry for the newb question.

[Silver Steven]

Country Switzerland
Year 1963
Mintage 623,000
Value 5 Francs / Franken / Francos
Metal Silver (.835)
Weight 15 g
Diameter 31 mm

Picked it up for under $10.

[CaptainW]

Awesome looking bar!!

Bought this Phoenix Precious Metals bar for $130 at a show today. Looked it up on Ebay and saw that PNG sold one for $175.

[windweaver77]

First ever greek hunk oh silver...
It is not the size that counts... or is it?

Country Greece
Years 1874-1883
Value 20 Lepta (0.20)
Metal Silver (.835)
Weight 1 g
Diameter 16 mm
Thickness 0.6 mm
Engraver Albert Désiré Barre
Shape Round
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7312.html
$4.48 shipped... Greek silver is expensive :P believe it or not this coin is fairly rare and this was a good deal :P

[captainsilverton]

Cool coin. What's with the hole in the coin? I've seen others like that. Sorry for the newb question.

holed coins??.... many reasons


holed coins near the rims were for jewelery or charms, necklaces or braclets, watch fobs, to sword hilts too, to fashion etc etc...... larger holed coins near the rim, especially silver
were for teething of young children.....
at times the larger round center holes were used as washers from slate roofs to other needs, especially when the
manufacturers tried to up the prices from .025 cent each to 1.5 or 2.0 cents each, base metal coins.
some of the coins thathave agged center holes were made by native folks, i so that they could use them for
buttons on leather garments, especially tribal, and NA and SA native indianns.coins were holed and sewn in jackest in many areas in the past, for fear of loss...
in wartime coins with holes were sometimes considered done as for "hate money".....we all have seen them
with holes like buttons in them.....in peacetime coins, it was for
use as buttons so that people with arthritus could dress themselves eaiser......with wartime coins it was usually so they could be sewn to the inside of military belts as "hate" money...many coins like theses were foruns-d and taken from the rival enemies.
many of the coins that were strings were center holed and they are still made that
way in Africa, and were in many Asian coutries also along with other regions, but minted that way of course.....some were found in the slaves quarters of the south...
slaves had the disipline to save every penny they could, so that they could eventually buy their freedom.....some coins were holes and nailed to the entrance frame of a home for good luck..
many reason..theses are some...

INWV

[windweaver77]

holed coins??.... many reasons


holed coins near the rims were for jewelery or charms, necklaces or braclets, watch fobs, to sword hilts too, to fashion etc etc...... larger holed coins near the rim, especially silver
were for teething of young children.....
at times the larger round center holes were used as washers from slate roofs to other needs, especially when the
manufacturers tried to up the prices from .025 cent each to 1.5 or 2.0 cents each, base metal coins.
some of the coins thathave agged center holes were made by native folks, i so that they could use them for
buttons on leather garments, especially tribal, and NA and SA native indianns.coins were holed and sewn in jackest in many areas in the past, for fear of loss...
in wartime coins with holes were sometimes considered done as for "hate money".....we all have seen them
with holes like buttons in them.....in peacetime coins, it was for
use as buttons so that people with arthritus could dress themselves eaiser......with wartime coins it was usually so they could be sewn to the inside of military belts as "hate" money...many coins like theses were foruns-d and taken from the rival enemies.
many of the coins that were strings were center holed and they are still made that
way in Africa, and were in many Asian coutries also along with other regions, but minted that way of course.....some were found in the slaves quarters of the south...
slaves had the disipline to save every penny they could, so that they could eventually buy their freedom.....some coins were holes and nailed to the entrance frame of a home for good luck..
many reason..theses are some...

INWV

This is a very fine and thoughtful post. I had missed the original post due to studying for an exam today... Thanks El capitan !!!

Silver Steven

I want to add that most 20 kreuzer coins I have encountered have these holes and they are typically in the bottom through the 20. Not sure if it is intentional or if this fact decided the hole location... but most of the pertinent information on the coin is no where near this area. I like the old Austrian coins. Were this one to go much higher I would not have gotten it. But I have no complaints even though I paid double melt. It will go well with the other 20 kreuzers I have . 20 Kreuzers are fairly common for their age. So it is an opportunity I think to own something cool and old, and if nothing else it makes for a fine conversation piece. All of that for the price of a meal at McDonald's.

[windweaver77]

Country Switzerland
Year 1963
Mintage 623,000
Value 5 Francs / Franken / Francos
Metal Silver (.835)
Weight 15 g
Diameter 31 mm

Picked it up for under $10.

seems like an interesting one. Crownish size and above 80%... what is the ASW of the thing? quick math tells me it is .404 OZT so at current PoS ( goes to kitco chart) about $8.34 worth of silver... But since this is clearly a collectors piece none of that really matters. What really matters is do you like it? I think it is very interesting. I wonder what the book value is on it.

[Silver Steven]

Thank you Captain and Weaver for your explanations. Very informative. I really appreciate it.

[windweaver77]

So I bid on this pair of coins... never dreamed I would win. But all my silver experts let me know how you would grade the 1857 because if it is as nice as I think it is... It more than makes up for the difference in silver content as compared to price. Anyway got an 1855 and 1857 1000 reis .. my first ever Brazilian silver !!!! but put me back $26.50 ( like I said never thought I woudl win it, not sad I did that 1857 really looks like a beauty). anyway here are some photos.


Country Brazil
Years 1853-1866
Value 1000 Réis (1000)
Metal Silver (.917)
Weight 12.75 g
Diameter 30 mm
Shape Round
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3671.html
Here is a catalog price list... http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/w...715-duid-48929

I mean I am no ringer but $13.25 a coin does not seem to unreasonable... could be wrong though...