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    Here is return of the Canada Pension Fund which...

    Here is return of the Canada Pension Fund which holds the payroll taxes for retirement of Canadians
    As you can imagine it is a large fund. Return over the latest 16 year period shown is little...
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    Just so you know bonds do well in a declining...

    Just so you know bonds do well in a declining rate environment. Something that has been happening for the last 35 years or so, except the last one. ( more or less) Well run Government Pension funds...
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    There will be pain, like there was in 2001 and...

    There will be pain, like there was in 2001 and 2008 and 1929 etc. Maybe a little less, maybe a whole lot more. The point is that the rests are meant as a distribution mechanism. Once asset levels...
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    No reset will be necessary. At a certain point,...

    No reset will be necessary. At a certain point, credit will tighten, liquidity will evaporate, asset values will plunge, but the show will go on. Just like it always has. Those not holding "strong"...
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    I totally agree. They are already doing this for...

    I totally agree. They are already doing this for some ( those that may be advantageous to them in votes or political fund raising)
    Since it is apparent that debt does not matter( by the actions of...
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    Just have the federal government come good for...

    Just have the federal government come good for it. Just think of all those pensioners secure in getting their money. How much they will spend, how much this will contribute to all those businesses...
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    Non issue - fed bailout that cost virtually...

    Non issue - fed bailout that cost virtually nothing on books. 0 per cent interest loan for shortfall with yearly rollover.
    The tax paid by the now whole pensioners will cover the small interest...
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    The Feds could just lend them the 130 billion at...

    The Feds could just lend them the 130 billion at 0% interest over a 1 year term with a perpetual rollover provision
    Problem solved. This would be pocket change on their existing deficit. Then all...
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    Some pensions have done well Ontario Teachers...

    Some pensions have done well
    Ontario Teachers Pension started in 1990 and has 175.6 billion in assets, a 11.5 billion funding surplus and has averaged a 10.3% return since it started. ...
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    you forgot some people Motocat - Real Estate...

    you forgot some people Motocat - Real Estate companies, Real Estate flippers (individuals), Real Estate salespeople, Rich individuals with a lot of real estate assets and people lucky enough to have...
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    One answer to how to fix the problem of defined...

    One answer to how to fix the problem of defined benefit pensions that are in bad shape is the following:
    multiply the employee and company/entity contributions, by the number of years, x a balanced...
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    What happens if the market corrects 20% , which...

    What happens if the market corrects 20% , which is long overdue. Most pension funds are at least 40% equity now and some are significantly more as bonds just do not do it. Even bonds have done well...
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    wonder what that graph would look like if they...

    wonder what that graph would look like if they put the imputed value of pensions and benefits for those that have them in the numbers.
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    Living the dream - Many of them are in their 70`s...

    Living the dream - Many of them are in their 70`s or 80`s so if the forever talked about calamity doesn`t happen soon, then they certainly were the smart ones.
    Even if it happened tomorrow, they...
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